# \[Discussion\] Adding support for Gemini GUSD **URL:** \ **Category:** Proposals\ **Created:** [August 27, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211 "2020-08-27T21:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![monet-supply](http://gov.curve.finance/user_avatar/gov.curve.finance/monet-supply/32/52_2.png) [@monet-supply](http://gov.curve.finance/u/monet-supply)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/1 "2020-08-27T21:18:02Z")
**Summary** : > Curve should create a new USD stablecoin liquidity pool that includes Gemini GUSD. **Abstract** : > Details about GUSD: > GUSD is issued by Gemini Trust Company, LLC, a New York state based trust company. The fiat USD corresponding to issued GUSD is held by State Street Bank and Trust Company (NYSE:STT). Monthly accounting examinations are performed by BPM, LLP. > > Whitepaper: [https://gemini.com/static/dollar/gemini-dollar-whitepaper.pdf](https://gemini.com/static/dollar/gemini-dollar-whitepaper.pdf) > Website: [What is Gemini Dollar (GUSD)? A Secure Stablecoin | Gemini](https://gemini.com/dollar) > Twitter: [https://twitter.com/Gemini](https://twitter.com/Gemini) > Source Code: [GitHub - gemini/dollar: Gemini dollar contract source code](https://github.com/gemini/dollar) > GUSD token contract: [https://etherscan.io/token/0x056fd409e1d7a124bd7017459dfea2f387b6d5cd](https://etherscan.io/token/0x056fd409e1d7a124bd7017459dfea2f387b6d5cd) > Accountant’s reports at bottom of page: [https://gemini.com/dollar#reports](https://gemini.com/dollar#reports) > Trail of bits contract audit: [https://gemini.com/static/dollar/gemini-dollar-trailofbits-audit.pdf](https://gemini.com/static/dollar/gemini-dollar-trailofbits-audit.pdf) > > Liquidity: > GUSD was launched in September 2018 and for a time was one of the largest stablecoins with over $100M circulating at its peak. The circulating supply of GUSD has since declined as it was dwarfed by USDC, USDT and other stablecoins with wider trading and defi usage. The supply of GUSD is currently ~$10.5M, having grown from a trough of ~$4M at the end of 2019. GUSD can be exchanged for USD at a fixed 1:1 rate on the Gemini exchange. I have personally tested this out with good results: withdraw of GUSD from Gemini exchange was sent within 1 minute using fast gas, and deposit back into Gemini was credited within ~17 block confirmation. > > I have submitted asset onboarding applications for GUSD to [Maker](https://forum.makerdao.com/t/gusd-mip6-collateral-onboarding-application/3319), [Aave](https://governance.aave.com/t/proposal-add-support-for-gemini-gusd/384), and [Compound](https://www.comp.xyz/t/adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/275/1). If these applications are accepted, GUSD volumes and usage could increase considerably. **Motivation** : > Adding GUSD could make Curve a focal point of arbitrage opportunities between Gemini and other centralized exchanges or DEXes. GUSD also has different custody and issuance companies vs other centralized stablecoins, so there are potential advantages for CRV holders and LPs from greater credit and regulatory risk diversification. Gemini/GUSD is also a functional on/off ramp to the ethereum defi ecosystem, so offering support could further cement Curve as the platform of choice for stablecoin trading. **For** : > - GUSD is a reputable USD stablecoin that is unlikely to become insolvent > - Issued and custodied by different companies vs. TUSD, USDT, USDC, PAX (+HUSD, BUSD), potential to lower centralization risk to the protocol in the future? **Against** : > - Currently, GUSD has relatively low on-chain usage and liquidity > - GUSD market cap is very low (~$10.5M), so this pool might have lower value for Curve **Polls** : Are you interested in a GUSD Curve pool? _Poll ([view on site](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/1))_ What other USD stablecoins should be included in a GUSD Curve pool (pick up to 3)? _Poll ([view on site](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/1))_ Any feedback appreciated. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![michwill](http://gov.curve.finance/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@michwill](http://gov.curve.finance/u/michwill)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 7:15am UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/2 "2020-08-28T07:15:40Z")
That’s a very good idea. But we shouldn’t dilute liquidity, and that is why I am working on metapools now. The proposal is to follow. We need to get them [stablecoins] all! ---
**Author:** ![0xEther](http://gov.curve.finance/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/0/5f9b8f/32.png) [@0xEther](http://gov.curve.finance/u/0xEther)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:06am UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/3 "2020-08-28T09:06:03Z")
Good idea; it would be great to see GUSD used in the first stablecoin pool that does not also include USDT. GUSD, USDC, DAI, PAX ---
**Author:** ![gczy](http://gov.curve.finance/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@gczy](http://gov.curve.finance/u/gczy)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/4 "2020-08-28T15:11:34Z")
I’m against this proposal. GUSD has had issues with redemption. It’s not used anywhere except Gemini, which is already a small exchange. Don’t see what value it brings over the other stable coins (no new trading opportunities, small market cap, etc). The only thing listing a GUSD pool would do is dilute LP rewards towards a useless stablecoin. ---
**Author:** ![monet-supply](http://gov.curve.finance/user_avatar/gov.curve.finance/monet-supply/32/52_2.png) [@monet-supply](http://gov.curve.finance/u/monet-supply)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/5 "2020-08-28T16:10:16Z")
I can confirm there is no issue with redemption, it is only available through Gemini exchange, but it is extremely simple. You just deposit GUSD to your exchange address, and USD is added to your exchange wallet to trade or withdraw as fiat. When I tested this the USD was credited within 17 confirmations of depositing GUSD to exchange account (about 2x speed of industry standard 35 confirmations). ---
**Author:** ![Jon](http://gov.curve.finance/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@Jon](http://gov.curve.finance/u/Jon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/6 "2020-08-28T21:55:49Z")
How should we think about which markets are too small to pursue? Is a $100 million market cap big enough? How about $10 million? How about $1 million? How about including PieDao’s BTC++ with its $660k market cap? Where do we draw the line and decide a new market is too tiny? FWIW - I think a key strength of Curve is its focus, and that in this case, we should let Uniswap or 1inch keep this minnow. However, if there were some incentivizes for the pool, then maybe that might make it worth it. Otherwise, I see this as a distraction. ---
**Author:** ![Louis\_xman](http://gov.curve.finance/user_avatar/gov.curve.finance/louis_xman/32/75_2.png) [@Louis\_xman](http://gov.curve.finance/u/Louis_xman)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2020, 10:53am UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/7 "2020-08-29T10:53:24Z")
I think GUSD should include by the PAX pool, but not creat a new pool for GUSD. ---
**Author:** ![charlie\_eth](http://gov.curve.finance/user_avatar/gov.curve.finance/charlie_eth/32/646_2.png) [@charlie\_eth](http://gov.curve.finance/u/charlie_eth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2020, 11:11am UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/8 "2020-08-29T11:11:24Z")
Pools cannot be modified (to add a new coin or for any reason) ---
**Author:** ![Louis\_xman](http://gov.curve.finance/user_avatar/gov.curve.finance/louis_xman/32/75_2.png) [@Louis\_xman](http://gov.curve.finance/u/Louis_xman)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2020, 11:28am UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/9 "2020-08-29T11:28:43Z")
I get it. Does curve contract about this function can be upgraded? In the future, many stablecoins need many pools, this will reduce trading efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![raddy](http://gov.curve.finance/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@raddy](http://gov.curve.finance/u/raddy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/11 "2020-08-31T21:39:50Z")
@tylerwinklevoss are there reg implications for which coins we include in the pool? is there a subset where a integration/onboarding with you guys is easier? ---
**Author:** ![kian](http://gov.curve.finance/user_avatar/gov.curve.finance/kian/32/84_2.png) [@kian](http://gov.curve.finance/u/kian)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 6:32am UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/12 "2020-09-01T06:32:27Z")
This may be tangential, but what is Gemini’s interest in this? Presumably they benefit by increasing usage of GUSD? ---
**Author:** ![charlie\_eth](http://gov.curve.finance/user_avatar/gov.curve.finance/charlie_eth/32/646_2.png) [@charlie\_eth](http://gov.curve.finance/u/charlie_eth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 8:05am UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/13 "2020-09-01T08:05:55Z")
And Curve benefits from having more stable coins and more liquidity I guess. A win win?! ---
**Author:** ![Don](http://gov.curve.finance/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ed655f/32.png) [@Don](http://gov.curve.finance/u/Don)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/14 "2020-09-01T17:52:39Z")
The dilution of the rewards is not a real concern imo. If the pool is not properly populated with voting liquidity providers then it pulls absolutely no CRV from the rest of the pools. The amount of CRV these liquidity providers would have to lockup is disproportionately larger than the boost requirement in larger pools. And they NEED to lock up CRV in order to vote for any rewards in the first place before aiming to lockup enough for the boost. The introduction of small pools that could grow would therefore imo create positive price pressure that will benefit all holders through higher yield. ---
**Author:** ![stablecoin](http://gov.curve.finance/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@stablecoin](http://gov.curve.finance/u/stablecoin)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](http://gov.curve.finance/t/discussion-adding-support-for-gemini-gusd/211/15 "2020-09-02T15:20:58Z")
bad idea dont do it as they can gate the exit out of gusd as they did before gusd has completely ruined its reputation and thus failed on secondary market